Bug 21046

I guess that would make sense. But I cannot tell exactly what are these countries - so I can just welcome patches;)

On the other hand, this is only valid if Dutch people do not actually know that they're using US layout, otherwise it is just useless - they will be going to US section anyway...

> On the other hand, this is only valid if Dutch people do not actually know that
> they're using US layout,

They actually do not even know that countries usually have their own
keyboards...

> otherwise it is just useless - they will be going to US section
> anyway...

Well, the thing is about the default choice, to save people having to
look in the US section. In the Debian Installer, for the text console,
the us choice used to be made by default for this list of languages:
nl, zh, ko, ar, fa, hi, id, mg, ml, gu, pa, kn, dz, ne, sq, tl, vi, xh.
Yes, languages, not countries, which makes the stuff even less clear.

I am pretty sure about NL because I have discussed with some dutch
people and they confirmed that people just use us keyboards. id, mg, tl,
xh do not seem to have their own layout.  For the rest, the only thing
I know is that Debian used to set the us keyboard by default, so I just
guess that is for some reason.

So maybe we can add NL for now as I'm really sure about it, and see
how people complain if the us choice is not given by default for their
country.

Samuel

> They actually do not even know that countries usually have their own
> keyboards...
Does it mean in the shops people buy exactly US-like keyboard, no Euro sign, no diacritics, nothing?

> Well, the thing is about the default choice, to save people having to
> look in the US section. In the Debian Installer, for the text console,
> the us choice used to be made by default for this list of languages:
> nl, zh, ko, ar, fa, hi, id, mg, ml, gu, pa, kn, dz, ne, sq, tl, vi, xh.
> Yes, languages, not countries, which makes the stuff even less clear.
That's really cumbersome. In that case, would it make sense to change the default variant to be empty, just including "us(basic)"? If the keyboards in these countries are mostly engraved with US qwerty...

> people and they confirmed that people just use us keyboards. id, mg, tl,
> xh do not seem to have their own layout.  
Again, we could create these files, with 3-line default variant.

bugzilla-daemon@freedesktop.org, le Sat 04 Apr 2009 15:12:24 -0700, a écrit :
> > They actually do not even know that countries usually have their own
> > keyboards...
> Does it mean in the shops people buy exactly US-like keyboard, no Euro sign, no
> diacritics, nothing?

Well, maybe they have the euro symbol, but they surely do not have
diacritics.  People do not actually know that computers can put
diacritics, only people using LaTeX actually put diacritics thanks to
\, etc., up to the point that people do not even put diacritics when
handwriting any more...

> > Well, the thing is about the default choice, to save people having to
> > look in the US section. In the Debian Installer, for the text console,
> > the us choice used to be made by default for this list of languages:
> > nl, zh, ko, ar, fa, hi, id, mg, ml, gu, pa, kn, dz, ne, sq, tl, vi, xh.
> > Yes, languages, not countries, which makes the stuff even less clear.
> That's really cumbersome. In that case, would it make sense to change the
> default variant to be empty, just including "us(basic)"? If the keyboards in
> these countries are mostly engraved with US qwerty...

I actually don't know whether that's the case.  The only thing I know
is that for these debian would set the console keyboard to us.  Maybe
that's just because there wasn't any console keyboard layout for them, I
don't know.  Anyway I have my answer: we'd just change the variants
according the the actual uses.  Time will tell us which changes actually
have to be done.

So, currently in symbols/nl, we have

xkb_symbols "basic"
xkb_symbols "std"
xkb_symbols "Sundeadkeys"
xkb_symbols "sundeadkeys"
xkb_symbols "mac"

How would you propose to introduce the copy of us layout? Rename "basic" to smth else (what?) and create new 3-line basic or what? Any better idea?

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